tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:52:52 AM
Electrics and Inbreds are not the sole future for vehicles. There will be many different ‘fuels’ available, you decide what you will use as a fuel as for the price and availability of each fuel. Still need more vehicles with high MPG, a reasonable cost, are ‘multi’ fueled and very reliable.
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dan30thz28

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:50:55 AM
We'll see.
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CSharpGuy

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:50:54 AM
And what will power the electric power plants? Oil, coal, trees?
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neemund

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:50:27 AM
To OilerFan - Yes, the Tesla Roadster gets over 200 miles per charge, unlike the Volt. The difference is that the Roadster uses a lithium-ion battery pack that holds 53 kilowatt hours of electricity in a 450kg package. That battery pack has a 7 year life and a replacement cost of $36,000. As most Americans are unwilling/unable to spent $36k on a car, much less a component for a car, we will not be seeing many long-range, electric vehicles on the road for quite a while.
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Grismer

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Kitchener-Waterloo
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:46:39 AM
Any future has to be better than GM's recent past.
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Dennis783

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Wisconsin
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:42:10 AM
spread the cost? So he wants me to pay so someone else can get a hybrid?
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speedys

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Utah
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:41:23 AM
This sounds like a good move.
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LocalSpyGuy

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:38:57 AM
If it's not affordable, it doesn't matter if it's a hybrid.
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BigDogOH

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:38:16 AM
Government Motors been too busy bashing Toyota to realize this
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DJRIO

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Miami
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:37:47 AM
coal power electric power plant great. thanks obama for endorsing natural gas.
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Ringmaster2008

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:35:54 AM
My Toyota already exceeds 35 MPG by a lot.
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skippypa

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Hawaii
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:34:51 AM
Is GM only finding this out now?
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OilerFan

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Tulsa
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:34:07 AM
I'm not sure why the driving range isn't as much with the electrics that most companies make. I've seen that Tesla motors have electrics that have a 300 mile range, which is a lot better than 40 miles. 40 just wont work for a lot of us that commute.
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slgas

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Houston
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:34:06 AM
I think he probably has GM on the right track. He had quite a history to repair.
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barsantij

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Durham
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:32:19 AM
Combination of 'robbing Peter to pay Paul,' using Saturn to offset losses in other areas of the business, and un-branding the 'no haggle' Saturn experience led to its demise. Oldsmobile told us what they weren't, not what they were (We aren't your Father's Oldsmobile ... with Ringo Starr as the Spokesperson.) Pontiac was just the easiest thing to chop first - instead of Hummer
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cajun57

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:31:20 AM
Increase driving range.
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JCUBE

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:29:06 AM
We'll see how this shakes out, and is it more than just a fad? Will these be viable alternatives to what we have now? Or, is it just a fad with new expensive toys.
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curlypooh

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:28:21 AM
No Kidding! You mean you guys just got it! And we, the people of the US, own you. Time for some new management and new ideas. How about it young people! Get rid of these guys!
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Beau2140

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New York
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:27:54 AM
The future as dictated by the government.
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murushi

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:23:48 AM
How effective are GM hybrids? If I remember correctly, last year their MPG was not at all impressive. Perhaps new models will be better?
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epf

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:21:46 AM
Whatever the answer, we know whatever we are doing today needs to change.
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cathevan

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Manitoba
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:21:38 AM
can't disagree with this
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roadrunnerMO

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Kansas
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:20:10 AM
Have to see it to believe it.
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sojurner_436

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:14:35 AM
this could have happened so much sooner though..
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MertieMan

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:13:54 AM
They should have been doing this long ago.
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RoadhogMA

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Boston
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:13:47 AM
good luck .
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rogerparry

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Florida
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:10:05 AM
Good news, we need more fuel efficient options.
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silverfox63

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:08:24 AM
They may be the future, but they are going to have too make them more affordable for the general consumer.
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applejoe

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:06:12 AM
If you build them you have to make them affordable.
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Jamer

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:03:55 AM
Hybrids I'll go for, but unless they make huge changes in distances in between battery charges electric only autos will be just a novelty item.
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dave364

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:02:13 AM
mine GMC diesel gets 19-21 mpg which is better than most trucks from overseas will ever get, 2500 sierra hd 3/4 ton
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jes

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:02:02 AM
Just make them affordable.
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weenerdog

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:01:32 AM
Yes to diesels
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FBI2991

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:00:32 AM
Ho, hum
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dhawk24

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Maine
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 6:00:04 AM
Good, but not for me...
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DrivingFool2

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Wisconsin
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:59:48 AM
Bring the price down and people will buy
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df99

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Rhode Island
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:59:45 AM
And what Detroit is doing *again* is missing the boat entirely. I've averaged 47 mpg over 20k miles with my diesel. Where are Detroits diesels?
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tco0102

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Charleston
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:58:04 AM
I think they should all be gas/electric..
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olcowboy14

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Spokane
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:55:45 AM
Good luck!
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QueenMother

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:55:03 AM
They're probably going to be too expensive to buy just like all other hybrids.
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1fulltank

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:52:35 AM
A long way to go before "the future" is here.
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racerdj

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:50:42 AM
I hope they will at least be fuel efficient.
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spiderjay

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:50:37 AM
sure they are going to say that they need people to buy their cars
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mandoid

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:50:34 AM
no gm for me
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ArmydudeNC

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:44:43 AM
GM making hybrids out of big SUVs and trucks is a rip-off. The premium you pay for the hybrid option it's not worth a few more miles per gallon more that you get.
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biza4u

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New Haven
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:43:55 AM
Great news rising costs to buy a car for everyone
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bababooey2

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:41:11 AM
Yawn
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jppezz

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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:40:02 AM
If that is the case the GM wont fully recover,because many people won't buy electric vehicles unless they are improved so people can travel longer distance with lower charge times.
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gasandgoAL

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Alabama
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:39:26 AM
and the cost of one is what
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skybiker

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:39:25 AM
Gm will have a hard time being competitive with 100K a year line workers.....
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clermont40miles

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 5:33:34 AM
Govt lackey tell us what the master wants him to say.
The future will be free market selection or forced.
Choose one.
I choose truly free markets.
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